we can totally get into it, but i wanted to chase down my other experience with -- i don't know what it is, the demotic? one thing i forgot to put in there is something i just did today -- we went to espanola, NM, which is basically the end of the earth, and i bought the local newspaper so i can read the classifieds. this i do in every small town i visit and i've learned more about -- the real world? kim's ass? genocide art? -- from that than almost any other medium.